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		<title>By: B.V.B. INC.</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-26937</link>
		<dc:creator>B.V.B. INC.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 00:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a nice summer everyone! Interesting articles in the most recent SURFER about L.A. and S.F..
See!, I am not so crazy after all.  
I am selling you out. 
Just donʻt call it &quot;art.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a nice summer everyone! Interesting articles in the most recent SURFER about L.A. and S.F..<br />
See!, I am not so crazy after all.<br />
I am selling you out.<br />
Just donʻt call it &#8220;art.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BAM</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-26880</link>
		<dc:creator>BAM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 17:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcPCZ54K4E&amp;feature=related this is BVB :)


One day I took a trip in my car
And went straight down Golden State
And went to the beach
But when I got there I just want to cry
Cuz there were so many people
I didn&#039;t know what to do
Cuz every time I go there
My board gets covered with oil
Every time I go there
Some hodad steals my wax
And when I get on top of those
The guy he cuts me off
Why do they cut me off
There&#039;s stupid idiots in the water
They keep cut me off
There&#039;s too many surfers
I wanna kill myself
You know...

I hate surfing at OB
Hate surfing at OB
Hate surfing at OB

The chicks are jerks
The guys think their so cool
They just look at each other
And always try and steal the surf
But not on my wave this time buddy
I&#039;m gonna push you down
I&#039;m gonna take the wave
That wave is, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine
You&#039;re not gonna take it from me
Cuz I&#039;ve got it
I&#039;m getting in there
I&#039;m in the tube, boy I&#039;m really getting off
I&#039;m getting off
I&#039;m surfing this is fucking cool

I hate surfing in OB
Hate surfing in OB
Hate surfing if the waves are always shitty

Ohh... well we can always go to the beach party and find girls

Hey... Isn&#039;t, isn&#039;t that Bad Vibe floating in the shore break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcPCZ54K4E&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWcPCZ54K4E&#038;feature=related</a> this is BVB <img src='http://www.surfpulse.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One day I took a trip in my car<br />
And went straight down Golden State<br />
And went to the beach<br />
But when I got there I just want to cry<br />
Cuz there were so many people<br />
I didn&#8217;t know what to do<br />
Cuz every time I go there<br />
My board gets covered with oil<br />
Every time I go there<br />
Some hodad steals my wax<br />
And when I get on top of those<br />
The guy he cuts me off<br />
Why do they cut me off<br />
There&#8217;s stupid idiots in the water<br />
They keep cut me off<br />
There&#8217;s too many surfers<br />
I wanna kill myself<br />
You know&#8230;</p>
<p>I hate surfing at OB<br />
Hate surfing at OB<br />
Hate surfing at OB</p>
<p>The chicks are jerks<br />
The guys think their so cool<br />
They just look at each other<br />
And always try and steal the surf<br />
But not on my wave this time buddy<br />
I&#8217;m gonna push you down<br />
I&#8217;m gonna take the wave<br />
That wave is, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, mine<br />
You&#8217;re not gonna take it from me<br />
Cuz I&#8217;ve got it<br />
I&#8217;m getting in there<br />
I&#8217;m in the tube, boy I&#8217;m really getting off<br />
I&#8217;m getting off<br />
I&#8217;m surfing this is fucking cool</p>
<p>I hate surfing in OB<br />
Hate surfing in OB<br />
Hate surfing if the waves are always shitty</p>
<p>Ohh&#8230; well we can always go to the beach party and find girls</p>
<p>Hey&#8230; Isn&#8217;t, isn&#8217;t that Bad Vibe floating in the shore break.</p>
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		<title>By: BVBVBBVBV</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-26427</link>
		<dc:creator>BVBVBBVBV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 19:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thatʻs a lot of question marks. While we were &quot;stroking each other&quot; years went by where everyone who surfed was sun baked and oblivious to what might happen next...
 
Hereʻs what you people should do: Carve out a river and let the water from Lake Merced drain out to Ocean Beach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thatʻs a lot of question marks. While we were &#8220;stroking each other&#8221; years went by where everyone who surfed was sun baked and oblivious to what might happen next&#8230;</p>
<p>Hereʻs what you people should do: Carve out a river and let the water from Lake Merced drain out to Ocean Beach.</p>
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		<title>By: of</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-26145</link>
		<dc:creator>of</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 15:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad all the organizations were busy having parties and art shows, stroking each other, when they should have seen this coming for how many years???  Decades????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad all the organizations were busy having parties and art shows, stroking each other, when they should have seen this coming for how many years???  Decades????????</p>
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		<title>By: B.V.B. Inc.</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-24771</link>
		<dc:creator>B.V.B. Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bummer dude. Still crowded no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bummer dude. Still crowded no matter what.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-24538</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riprap on beaches does nothing to protect the beach. It may protect the bluff behind the beach but as for the beach, everywhere I have seen rocks dumped the beach eventually disappears, causing the rocks to sink and necessitating the placement of more and more rocks until there is finally so much rock that they eventually stop sinking into the undermined sand. But the beach never returns and we usually end up with a deep channel running parallel to the beach instead of the sand that used to be there.
For examples just look at areas of Sharp Park north of the pier, Rockaway in front of Nick&#039;s and the beach immediately south of the jetty in Princeton, and the area in question at OB. Ever since someone got the bright idea of dumping crap concrete to save the bluff the beach has been disappearing. For those of us old enough to remember, there USED to be full beaches at each one of those areas prior to the concrete and rocks being dumped there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riprap on beaches does nothing to protect the beach. It may protect the bluff behind the beach but as for the beach, everywhere I have seen rocks dumped the beach eventually disappears, causing the rocks to sink and necessitating the placement of more and more rocks until there is finally so much rock that they eventually stop sinking into the undermined sand. But the beach never returns and we usually end up with a deep channel running parallel to the beach instead of the sand that used to be there.<br />
For examples just look at areas of Sharp Park north of the pier, Rockaway in front of Nick&#8217;s and the beach immediately south of the jetty in Princeton, and the area in question at OB. Ever since someone got the bright idea of dumping crap concrete to save the bluff the beach has been disappearing. For those of us old enough to remember, there USED to be full beaches at each one of those areas prior to the concrete and rocks being dumped there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-21204</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the BOS made a final decision on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the BOS made a final decision on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Rev.MCC</title>
		<link>http://www.surfpulse.com/2010/01/summary-of-board-of-supervisors-meeting-on-sloat-erosion/comment-page-1/#comment-9081</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev.MCC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am responding to the summary above...

I was at the Board of Supervisor&#039;s meeting and attended the town meeting at the Beach Chalet and I am not that encouraged about how this is all going to play out.

Politically I believe that the &quot;emergency&quot; is going to trump a lot of good arguments that might be made about the rock revetment.  The supervisors &amp; city are going to need the matching funds from the declaration of emergency and that sets a timeline that will with (artificial?) urgency overwhelm many good and reasonable ideas.  Having been involved in federal &amp; local politics in the past I can see the witches brew well mixed to build the 900&#039; of rock revetment over the objections of many of us... 

I believe that &quot;the process&quot; leading to the revetment is well ahead of our organizing efforts at this time.
I believe that we are following a common pattern in these matters 
	- Emergency develops due to lack of long term leadership 
	- Emergency response is fast tracked
	- Community Resistance (usually with long term interests) manifests
	- Political leaders engage community (usually by listening &amp; asking &quot;though&quot; questions of &quot;staff&quot;) with earnestness (note Supervisor Chu...)
	- Emergency response moves forward with the political lament that if only we&#039;d &quot;__________.&quot;
	    (usually an appeal for greater leadership in the past &amp; promises (empty) to do more in future)
		(Note that Supervisor Elsbernd adopted this approach in his engagement with Mirkarimi)
	- Bad short term emergency fix is done
		(many political tears shed along with claims of &quot;we listened but....)
	- Long term issues &amp; concerns are again placed on the back burner...
		(politically appointed staff (Reiskin?) &amp; politicians have short planning horizons)
	- repeat (a lot...)

So I am concerned that we are being played by political leaders on this...  

I suspect, in the end, Supervisor Mirkarimi will either vote in favor of the revetment (with a lot of deep sighs and protestations) or recuse himself citing his membership on the Coastal Commission...  But even if he votes not to build the revetment (highly doubtful) he will do so knowing that the board is going to go ahead anyway.  (Note: Supervisor Daly said he thought the votes were there to go forward at the meeting that night and I&#039;d trust his vote counting) 

I want to suggest the following strategy:

~ Agree to a rock revetment for only the most critical 200&#039; - 300&#039; feet of bluff to protect the emergency area (smaller is better of course).
	1. Agree that this will not last as long or work as well as 900&#039; BUT that it will get us through the emergency
	2. Because the smaller revetment is highly problematic &amp; doomed to failure (only faster than the larger 900&#039;) this keeps the fire on all the stakeholders to come up with a long term solution rather than a medium term &quot;kick the can down the road&quot; solution.
	3. Claim the high ground
		- This protects critical infrastructure
		- This addresses the &quot;emergency&quot;
		- This is not DPW&#039;s solution but it addresses their concerns in the short term (El Nino)
		- This forces the stakeholders to stay engaged and work for a long term solution (right now!)
		- This is leadership by citizens asking for Supervisor support (which they all claim to want)
		- This gives something and asks for something so we are not &quot;winning&quot; and DPW is not losing
	4. Engage in the politics of Supervisor (insert name) does not lead, plan for the long term, and avoids the hard choices (add more as you like) the results of which we see in high cost bandaid failures... (this is the stick)

All the best,
Rev.MCC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am responding to the summary above&#8230;</p>
<p>I was at the Board of Supervisor&#8217;s meeting and attended the town meeting at the Beach Chalet and I am not that encouraged about how this is all going to play out.</p>
<p>Politically I believe that the &#8220;emergency&#8221; is going to trump a lot of good arguments that might be made about the rock revetment.  The supervisors &amp; city are going to need the matching funds from the declaration of emergency and that sets a timeline that will with (artificial?) urgency overwhelm many good and reasonable ideas.  Having been involved in federal &amp; local politics in the past I can see the witches brew well mixed to build the 900&#8242; of rock revetment over the objections of many of us&#8230; </p>
<p>I believe that &#8220;the process&#8221; leading to the revetment is well ahead of our organizing efforts at this time.<br />
I believe that we are following a common pattern in these matters<br />
	- Emergency develops due to lack of long term leadership<br />
	- Emergency response is fast tracked<br />
	- Community Resistance (usually with long term interests) manifests<br />
	- Political leaders engage community (usually by listening &amp; asking &#8220;though&#8221; questions of &#8220;staff&#8221;) with earnestness (note Supervisor Chu&#8230;)<br />
	- Emergency response moves forward with the political lament that if only we&#8217;d &#8220;__________.&#8221;<br />
	    (usually an appeal for greater leadership in the past &amp; promises (empty) to do more in future)<br />
		(Note that Supervisor Elsbernd adopted this approach in his engagement with Mirkarimi)<br />
	- Bad short term emergency fix is done<br />
		(many political tears shed along with claims of &#8220;we listened but&#8230;.)<br />
	- Long term issues &amp; concerns are again placed on the back burner&#8230;<br />
		(politically appointed staff (Reiskin?) &amp; politicians have short planning horizons)<br />
	- repeat (a lot&#8230;)</p>
<p>So I am concerned that we are being played by political leaders on this&#8230;  </p>
<p>I suspect, in the end, Supervisor Mirkarimi will either vote in favor of the revetment (with a lot of deep sighs and protestations) or recuse himself citing his membership on the Coastal Commission&#8230;  But even if he votes not to build the revetment (highly doubtful) he will do so knowing that the board is going to go ahead anyway.  (Note: Supervisor Daly said he thought the votes were there to go forward at the meeting that night and I&#8217;d trust his vote counting) </p>
<p>I want to suggest the following strategy:</p>
<p>~ Agree to a rock revetment for only the most critical 200&#8242; &#8211; 300&#8242; feet of bluff to protect the emergency area (smaller is better of course).<br />
	1. Agree that this will not last as long or work as well as 900&#8242; BUT that it will get us through the emergency<br />
	2. Because the smaller revetment is highly problematic &amp; doomed to failure (only faster than the larger 900&#8242;) this keeps the fire on all the stakeholders to come up with a long term solution rather than a medium term &#8220;kick the can down the road&#8221; solution.<br />
	3. Claim the high ground<br />
		- This protects critical infrastructure<br />
		- This addresses the &#8220;emergency&#8221;<br />
		- This is not DPW&#8217;s solution but it addresses their concerns in the short term (El Nino)<br />
		- This forces the stakeholders to stay engaged and work for a long term solution (right now!)<br />
		- This is leadership by citizens asking for Supervisor support (which they all claim to want)<br />
		- This gives something and asks for something so we are not &#8220;winning&#8221; and DPW is not losing<br />
	4. Engage in the politics of Supervisor (insert name) does not lead, plan for the long term, and avoids the hard choices (add more as you like) the results of which we see in high cost bandaid failures&#8230; (this is the stick)</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Rev.MCC</p>
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